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Exwizz

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its alot more satisfying hunting a item then it is buying it for irl cash..
and i agree with labeling server who accept donations because most of them dont last long enough to get approved by lomcn
 

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I for one would rather donate for a stat boosting pot and gain my kit legitimately - isn't there a bit more fun in that?

Yea theres more fun in it, but lets be real here im sure most people who would donate would rather have the item to keep for ever than a pot that will run out.
 

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its alot more satisfying hunting a item then it is buying it for irl cash..
and i agree with labeling server who accept donations because most of them dont last long enough to get approved by lomcn

We weren't discussing which form of donation was most fun though. N1 on missing the point of the arguement >.>


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dude in al honesty thats stupid... a donation is a donation, regardless of what its for.

there is no difference in using a stat pot that gives u +30 dc, and buying an item that gives u +30 dc.

dunno why everythinks that consumables are moraly ok, but items etc are "wrong"
dude thats the most stupid reply ever! consumables run out and don't stay in circulation long enough to ruin the economy, thats why are are called "consumables"

You could kill a boss using the stat pot that you couldn't of killed without it, you could get an item from that boss. Not a huge difference.
not a huge difference ? the player who donated for the item will kill 100 more bosses than a consumable.


Yea theres more fun in it, but lets be real here im sure most people who would donate would rather have the item to keep for ever than a pot that will run out.

then having 2 different tags would allow them to decide which server they would rather play / donate with.
 

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dude thats the most stupid reply ever! consumables run out and don't stay in circulation long enough to ruin the economy, thats why are are called "consumables"


not a huge difference ? the player who donated for the item will kill 100 more bosses than a consumable.


thanks thats what i was trying to point out
 

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there is a difference the stat pot last till you log or till it runs out the ring or any other items last untill u drop it or w.e?

So if i made a stat pot that lasted 30days for £10 thats acceptable? lol.
If ne thing thats worse, as you 1. Cant lose it and 2. when u upgrade your weapon or wotever item you would of bought, the stat boost is still worth while, where as the item becomes worthless (Well not worthelss as u can sell but u know wot i mean)

end of day, a gameshop is all teh same.. its still PAYING rl cash for an ADVANTAGE over players that do not pay
 

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So if i made a stat pot that lasted 30days for £10 thats acceptable? lol.

Obviously not...talk about taking it out of context. I think it's already been said that we're talking about buffs that only last x amounts of hours...til u die, or log out?
 

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no where on this thread have u said "buffs that only last x(wot is x? x could be 800hours) amount of hours, till u die, or log out"

buff pots save on 4heros, means i cant have donations for buffs because they dont remove whn u die/log out?

point im makin is, consumable or items, they are ALL the same thing, u cannot say oh this server is ok, u can only buy mc pots, this 1 sucks, u can buy items.

but for arguements sake, your saying 30day pots are "not allowed"

in that case, i would make pots that last 2hours (that ok with u mr.god?), that come in bundles of 6, and are 10p a bundle.

so lets say an item that gives +30 dc, for example a mir sword, say it gives u like +20 dc over ur normal weapon and its £20, or you buy 200 pot bundles that will last erm lets see.. 200 x6 = 1200 x 2 = 2400 hours worth of pots. i make that like 100 days

so, is that accceptable? cause its a consumable.. lol
 

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10p a bundle, yeh ok mate.

Does anyone have anything realistic to input, or are we done here?
 

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aww, is that the best arguement u got?

just admit it, any form of gameshop is the same, regardless of whats in it, or what the prices are set as.

even at £1 a bundle, its still the same thing.
 

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But who in their right mind is going to sell 12 hours worth of 20+dc for £1? That is a ridiculous argument.
 

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why wouldnt they? would make quite a bit of money, minimium donation £5, say 10 ppl donate, alrdy £50 there. they do that ever few days.

my point is, every gameshop is the same, regardless of if its for items, or for consumables
 

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I love how the arguement here is on hunting for items giving a boost but doesn't touch the aspect of PvP, if a player PKs with that pot on due to it gives them a clear bonus they get an item a persons grinded for, then hows it fair? Yes there's always a risk of players getting killed but a clear advantage due to the pot gives + X stat can determine a winner or a lost cause.

Or was that forgotten about in this arguement all together? o_0
 

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Edit: Well, it is an edit really. The terms on why a server gets removed / approved by the way i do agree they need to be revised however when a servers conned before it shouldn't really be allowed to advertise due to the fact of it's back history, that is what defines a server or not imho. Would of also fixed my typo on argument but I can't edit =/

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In my opinion, I work hard for my money and I will spend it how I see fit. If I wanna donate that is my choice, and have done so in the past. People have a brain and should be allowed to use it, if they want to donate, that is their choice. As far as Azura, I can believe some of his actions to an extent, maybe he is bi-polar or has a congentive porn side to him. Think my grandma's nips got hard at that video. Of course, opinions are like women, they've all got one.
 

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not a huge difference ? the player who donated for the item will kill 100 more bosses than a consumable.

Another person who misses the point, they get an item (take note of that word, it's important) from killing a boss using this stat pot, getting that item has the same effect as just donating for said item. They still gained an advantage they wouldn't of had if they hadn't donated, this being an item they wouldn't of had if they hadn't donated. K?


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tbh the only difference should be made between donating and buying..

if you donate and receive any kind of item back for donating then this is not a true donation and this must be indicated in a different way.

if you donate just because you feel to support the game and hope it will last longer for nothing else but the fun of helping and supporting the team then this needs to be indicated in a different way than the one above.
 

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Having seen both sides of the argument first hand now, I can see why Ben does the things he does. Never been his biggest fan and I still think he has an attitude on him, but nevertheless he seems like a responsible admin compared to what we've seen recently.

In an ideal world, we could limit donations to buffs. I've tried that, believe me, it doesnt work. People dont buy them as they know itll run out, and even with them on it doesnt guarantee something in the long term. No donors = large dedi overheads. So, I think items are good as long as theyre controlled. Thats my first view.

Second view is, levels should not be sold. Exp pots, yes. Levels, no. You should have to put some sort of effort in (Even if it is half the effort a non donar has put in.)

Third view.. well, as its been said we need a better approved/banned system. RND pro for example was banned for openly wanting donations. A bad thing, yes? But also factor into things that he had a 2.6 running with a coders help, with new maps/features (Dont quote me on this never played it) So, on the surface, effort was put in. Then we have the servers that are 2.3, ran by one guy probably still in school (And this is a jibe at alot of recent servers not any individual ones.) with messy scripting and no thought to balance or lengevity, with OTT donations designed to rack em in fast and then jump ship. If people can buy maxed out chars for £40 what hope is there for a weeks time?

Tldr, why ban RND and not ban other servers that have had far less effort put into them but is clearly their policy to get as many donations as fast as poss?
 

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You could kill a boss using the stat pot that you couldn't of killed without it, you could get an item from that boss. Not a huge difference.


/Nymph
Could been the key word here.

Rather than "You CAN just just buy the said item"
 
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no where on this thread have u said "buffs that only last x(wot is x? x could be 800hours) amount of hours, till u die, or log out"

buff pots save on 4heros, means i cant have donations for buffs because they dont remove whn u die/log out?

point im makin is, consumable or items, they are ALL the same thing, u cannot say oh this server is ok, u can only buy mc pots, this 1 sucks, u can buy items.

but for arguements sake, your saying 30day pots are "not allowed"

in that case, i would make pots that last 2hours (that ok with u mr.god?), that come in bundles of 6, and are 10p a bundle.

so lets say an item that gives +30 dc, for example a mir sword, say it gives u like +20 dc over ur normal weapon and its £20, or you buy 200 pot bundles that will last erm lets see.. 200 x6 = 1200 x 2 = 2400 hours worth of pots. i make that like 100 days

so, is that accceptable? cause its a consumable.. lol
you would go that far out of your way to avoid an "item donation" server tag? lol now we can see your only hosting servers for profit. £20 for a weapon!, ridiculous prices, i hope your not charging these fees on 4heroes.. thats a clear sign of running a server for profit if i have ever seen one.

Another person who misses the point, they get an item (take note of that word, it's important) from killing a boss using this stat pot, getting that item has the same effect as just donating for said item. They still gained an advantage they wouldn't of had if they hadn't donated, this being an item they wouldn't of had if they hadn't donated. K?


/Nymph
someone else who had missed the point entirely, said buff will last a few hours at most, and gives you maybe a 1/1000 chance of getting said item(so you could need 1000 buff potions),when you could donate and get that item instantly..
 
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