Ive been hearing rumors that most windows programs dont work properly with a 64bit processor, can anyone shine some light on this for me please?
64 Bit Processors
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R3mix said:
They would work the same as on an intel 32bit cpu. the 64bit is just extra extensions in the cpu that are only enabled with something like a 64bit operating system. A64 cpu's are nice
R3mix said:
32bit apps will NOT run on a true dedicated 64bit processor, however all current consumer 64bit processors, are not truely 64bit. Instead they have an extra layer which enables them to process 32bit code (hence how people can use Win 9x+XP on Athlon64's).
Therefore any rumours you have heard, are most likely untrue.
AlphaTrace said:
That's not true. The "consumer" 64bit cpu's (athlon 64 line from AMD) are all "true" 64bit cpu's AND they have 32bit extensions to run windows xp pro etc.
Thanks for clearing that up. I was about to buy a 64bit processor and a new motherboard, and the guy in the shop said i should wait for a good couple of months because Most windows programs will not run properly on a 64 Bit Processor.
He's just wanting to milk you for cash and sell you old produce they need to get rid of and that he'll get a bonus from selling (can't remember the word).
Just for info, new Mir 3 server will be 64 Bit Compliant only.
(http://www.doitthen.com/mir3/ for info)
(http://www.doitthen.com/mir3/ for info)
AlphaTrace said:
The 32bit layer is added for the consumer because we have no 64bit soho o/s yet. And yes it is "true" becuase it can run/do anything else that any other 64bit cpu can do based on 64bit instructions.
I wouldn't even call this "commission" motivated or whatnot but pure IGNORANCE. This is 100% pure BULLSHYT. I have an A64 machine, running windows XP 32bit and i love the hell outa it and its my favorite over ANY cpu out now whether it be athlon xp or pentium 4. Anyone who says that the a64 line cannot run all the prgrams is either blatenty bullshyting you or is an ignorant fool. I use my a64 for games, work prgrams, everything, and its awesome.
not to sound british lol but "A64 FOR TEH WIN!"
urbanfox said:
So by the same analogy, are you saying Windows NT 3.51 (with SP5) is a true 32bit OS? As it can run plenty of 32bit apps, including Word 97, even though its a DOS based OS, like the consumer versions of windows from the time.
Lets look at it from a different view using your analogy. A man has all the male parts, but also has female parts to ease adoption for the ahem, desktop market. Is he a "true" male? Afterall, he can do everything a normal male can do based on male parts.
They'll most probably leave the backward compatability in, why lose an expanded piece of hardware and risk profit loss through failed consumer manipulation?
AlphaTrace said:
Your analogy is already crap (no offense) considering that hardware has nothing to do with compadibility of anything by the fact that everything is software controlled (excluding what hardware was made for p4c 32bit vs itanium 64bit etc with the given that the hardware expressed conformsd to the said API). And yes, Windows NT 3.51, without any service packs, is a true 32bit enviroment because of it's architecture, and just because it can't run say a brand new game has nothing to do with the fact that NT isn't "32bit" compadible with it but it has to do with the fact the game was built to use newer operating engines. It has nothing to do with windows xp is more "32bit" than windows NT.
Two, Win NT 3.51 was based on many things, OS/2, POSIX, DOS, Win16 and Win32 API's, with the Win32 being the main windows API for applications.
Third, this is the Computer forum, not a place to make crap analogies about anatomy which logically cannot be accurately parrelled in thought to the current discusion.
Fourth, the word "true" has no definition in this conversation other than whatever meaning I/you/we attach to it. It is a well known fact that the A64 line is a "true" (true by the definition it can do anything another 64bit cpu, such as the itanium, can do) 64bit compadible cpu, WITH 32bit extensions. Just because it has 32bit extensions added in no way "lessens" the fact as you say that is 64bit compadible.
BOTTOM LINE
The A64 line is fully compadible with all windows 32bit applications despite whatever BS the retailer told you. In fact, with the 30% reduction in the A64 line price base yesterday, at the same dollar amount I would recommend the A64 over the Pentium 4 in all but a few cases.
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Viola said:
I don't think it is consumer manipulation (especially considering in most applications the A64 beats its Intel counterpart in the 32bit API) rather than added features whatnot. AMD never said buy this CPU because the 64bit world of computing is swallowing the 32bit world tommrow.
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AlphaTrace said:So by the same analogy, are you saying Windows NT 3.51 (with SP5) is a true 32bit OS? As it can run plenty of 32bit apps, including Word 97, even though its a DOS based OS, like the consumer versions of windows from the time.
Lets look at it from a different view using your analogy. A man has all the male parts, but also has female parts to ease adoption for the ahem, desktop market. Is he a "true" male? Afterall, he can do everything a normal male can do based on male parts.
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Actually, you're entirely wrong. WinNT, as of ALL versions, is ENTIRELY 32bit, with 16bit emulation. Look into it's history. Starting with NT 3.1 (which i still have a copy of :P) Plug: http://toastytech.com/guis/nt31.html
Tell me, if the A64s aren't true 64bit, and they can't be true 32bit according to your truth, then what ARE they?
If you want to proove yourself, tell this forum the true power of the Ps2.
Your analogy should be corrected to the following.
If a man had all man parts, but could also think like a woman - does that make him a true man?
Put simply - yes.
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As for the fool with his 64bit "non-compatibility". Sue him. I mean it. Sue the hell out of him. False advertising.
Let me guess - he tried to make you buy a more expensive Pentium 4, right?
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hmm... only thing out now/next few months new wise is the socket 939 newer versions of a64...
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