Recent cuts within education

[Wond]

I personally think it is bloody stupid...

Nick clegg (Liberal) promised not to cut fees and not to stop EMA etc thus resulting in basically the only reason why they got elected, and yet they go against it.

Also, I agree with the riot in London. However, it is stupid to go and set fire to things as this will result in the economy losing money trying to repair damage which of course means there is less of a chance that they do end up stopping the cuts.

On the above not, they should maybe stop EMA and ALG then let university and other education be free, thus meaning they will remake money from stopping EMA and ALG but students will be able to actually learn without any future worries.

The recent cuts, the price for courses and the amount when it comes to loaning that you have to pay back has resulted in me turning down university simply because I don't think it will benefit me ATALL if i'm still paying bk money once I have a job that pays over 27k.

This also means you will need to stay under 27k to be able to avoid paying it back permanetely, but also this means you cannot reach your maximum potential in terms of wage.

For those who haven't heard or saw, here is the link of the student riot:

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/students-riot-in-london-over-tuition-fee-rises/19710751

/TheDon

 

[SmavidDavid]

I was invited to the riot in "National Demo", or "Demo-Lition". I went to a FE Zone conference, in Liverpool last week, for the NUS, and there was big talks about EMA and the national demo.

Also as of yet ALG isn't cancelled is it? They've not actually made a decision on this have they? I was under the impression ALG hadn't been scrapped yet.

 

[Skyline]

Riots are pathetic.

All they are doing is costing the contry more money on ploicing, repairs and other things.

 

[Wond]

Riots are pathetic.

All they are doing is costing the contry more money on ploicing, repairs and other things.

Aye, which as I said, results in students having a less likely chance of being unsuccessful in their bid to stop cuts.

I was invited to the riot in "National Demo", or "Demo-Lition". I went to a FE Zone conference, in Liverpool last week, for the NUS, and there was big talks about EMA and the national demo.

Also as of yet ALG isn't cancelled is it? They've not actually made a decision on this have they? I was under the impression ALG hadn't been scrapped yet.

To be honest, I don't think so, but if they scrap EMA then they are sure as hell are going to scrap ALG.

/TD

 

[SmavidDavid]

Cuts are going to happen... EMA was a joke, ALG is too, not so much of one.

I agree with the idea of money going to lowering HE Fee's. Although.. if its your dream, your find a way.. if you give up, obviously your not that passionate about it.

 

[Wond]

Cuts are going to happen... EMA was a joke, ALG is too, not so much of one.

I agree with the idea of money going to lowering HE Fee's. Although.. if its your dream, your find a way.. if you give up, obviously your not that passionate about it.

I'm going to get a job hopefully Train2Game or something along them lines, or even just a regular job in an office untill basically the economy sorts itself out in which I can then proceed to go and study computer game design and artifical intelligence at my local uni.

I've already done my personal statement, I just need to tweak it after it being proof-read (first one i've ever done)

Was hoping to go to uni next year, but like I said, because of the chrisis, i'm going to get a job instead.

/TD

 

[Prai]

EMA got me sooooo mad back in the day. Could never receive it. Most stupid waste of money yet.

 

[kash12]

I'm going to get a job hopefully Train2Game or something along them lines, or even just a regular job in an office untill basically the economy sorts itself out in which I can then proceed to go and study computer game design and artifical intelligence at my local uni.

I've already done my personal statement, I just need to tweak it after it being proof-read (first one i've ever done)

Was hoping to go to uni next year, but like I said, because of the chrisis, i'm going to get a job instead.

/TD

Should you not apply for uni now and get in before the fees get raised?

EMA is a complete joke anyway. Let's give money to teenagers to 'help them with their education'. Clearly just gets spent on swall every weekend lol.


/Nymph

 

[Wond]

Should you not apply for uni now and get in before the fees get raised?

EMA is a complete joke anyway. Let's give money to teenagers to 'help them with their education'. Clearly just gets spent on swall every weekend lol.


/Nymph

True, i'm one of them that claim it, but I don't go getting wrecked every weekend.

I can't, i'm in my last year of college, not too long now untill I'm in uni really so i'm kinda pissed at the fees because they'll be raised before I actually get into uni.

I'm going to take a gap year, have abit of fun, see what's going on then consider going.

I've been in education now for as long as I can remember, I think I deserve a break.

*EDIT*

Recent post to me from some one supporting Liberal dems and Nick Clegg:

You need to go and read up about the proposals, Justin. If you earn over £21K you start to pay back 9% of the amount of money you earn over that £21K. So you if you earn £21,001 you pay back 9p per year! Someone earning £25K pays back around £6 a week! The £9K fees per year is unlikely to happen for most fees as they have to explain to the government why the fee have to be so high!

However, it cannot be that simple, let's just wait and officially find out shall we .

/TD

 

[kash12]

Uni's will also get fined if they up fees but don't get enough numbers.

If you apply for uni to start in 2011, you don't have to pay the increased fees.

 

[Tom27]

E.M.A is getting more and more difficult to get atm.
More rules & regulation acts are being put into place in colleges atm e.g
- 1 Minute late = loose EMA
- 1 missing piece of equipment needed for the lesson = loose EMA
- smoking within 600meters of college grounds = Loose EMA
- forgetting student ID cards = loose EMA

And now they have removed Christmas & Summer bonuses.
Then for them to remove E.M.A completely starting next summer is utterly disgraceful in my eyes.

 

[Liandrin2]

When I was in college I never had any sort of financial help, if I needed money then I got a job.

Why would it be so disgraceful? Do colleges require some sort of fees or something now?

 

[Tom27]

I have a job.
And yes it is disgraceful really, people have been getting benefits for years so why would they
suddenly decide to stop them now?

People who received EMA before the more recent people are the ones who have gained the most (Mainly parents or aged 30+)
They should be the ones who are paying back the money. It should not effect recent learners as we are the innocent ones being most effected by the cuts

EDIT;

Fair is fair, they cut out the bonuses.
Then they cut the "receive your money back for equipment you buy which caters for your set course" kinda thing.
But now they are also cutting EMA, its going to effect so many of the less fortunate people (admittedly myself as im 17 and living alone).
Tbh I think so many people are going to drop out of college because of this now.
And I can see people from other poor countries coming over here just for free education. (Bad thing for the economy again)

 

[Liandrin2]

And yes it is disgraceful really, people have been getting benefits for years so why would they suddenly decide to stop them now?

We have no money, non essential thing must be cut. Is it really considered essential?

Tbh I think so many people are going to drop out of college because of this now

Why? People managed to get by before, it might lead to people not really interested in college not going just for the easy money though.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the EMA at all but I don't see it as a massive issue.

 

[Tom27]

Yes but as said above;

"Nick clegg & david cameron said they would NOT make cuts in the school/college/uni sectors"
Yet thats the first thing they have pounced on.

Yes I see what you mean by making cuts for the country etc etc.
But is taking money and enrichment fees etc away from students really a major thing? I'd personally say no.
If students suddenly start dropping out of college etc, then that means less jobs, which means less tax is going to be payed, which in the long run would mean even less income for the economy in the future.

EDIT;
Personally the things I would do to stop money wasting is;

Take the "Dole" away and make them take further education, therefore its saving money and better in the long run.
Remove the immigrants.
Stop spending money on drug addicts, let them die rather than feeding their unpleasantly needs.


I can guarantee by the next election that Labour or another new party will be in government with an easy 90-95% of the votes.

 

[Toddwhite]

At college i worked a dominos pizza delivery job too.

I worked until 3 am and then had college @ 8am sometimes....

and then ****s who were lazy and stupid got 30 a week to go out on the piss iwth.

30 a week was never enough for me as i wanted to go out on the piss and save up for travelling, so i worked (not that i cudda claimed it neway)

EMA is a joke and should be removed.

Uni fees going up I don't know enough about, but tbh if it does go up, it will also increase the value of the degree as less people will do it.

I heard they are tripling it though? Ouch.

 

[Toddwhite]

Yes but as said above;

"Nick clegg & david cameron said they would NOT make cuts in the school/college/uni sectors"
Yet thats the first thing they have pounced on.

Yes I see what you mean by making cuts for the country etc etc.
But is taking money and enrichment fees etc away from students really a major thing? I'd personally say no.
If students suddenly start dropping out of college etc, then that means less jobs, which means less tax is going to be payed, which in the long run would mean even less income for the economy in the future.

EDIT;
Personally the things I would do to stop money wasting is;

Take the "Dole" away and make them take further education, therefore its saving money and better in the long run.
Remove the immigrants.
Stop spending money on drug addicts, let them die rather than feeding their unpleasantly needs.
I can guarantee by the next election that Labour or another new party will be in government with an easy 90-95% of the votes.

You do realise if you take away drug addicts methadrone, they will just turn to violence and crime to get it illegally? Causing more problems.

I love how everybody thinks they have such bright ideas, i think other people would have thought of them if it was possible to do (most of the time, ideas do have to start somewere, i don't think taking away drug addicts help is the answer, mind.)

 

[Robert]

I must admit, i misread this thread title and nearly fell off my chair...although i think the misread version is probably more accurate!

The game is to insert an 'n' and see what you come up with..

 

[Anaconda]

I must admit, i misread this thread title and nearly fell off my chair...although i think the misread version is probably more accurate!

The game is to insert an 'n' and see what you come up with..

Failed to type anything constructive about this thread?

Don't post here if you're just going to type a load of crap in which no one cares about, what we're trying to do is gather opinions for each other and ideas etc regarding the cuts.

We have no money, non essential thing must be cut. Is it really considered essential?



Why? People managed to get by before, it might lead to people not really interested in college not going just for the easy money though.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the EMA at all but I don't see it as a massive issue.

EMA was there to encourage potential students to actually join up and further their education. Now, with this gone, these kids fresh out of high school etc will just roam the streets, sign up for the dole, get pissed, cause havock and not do anything with themselves.

It's more logical to lower the tuition fees, keep EMA and discard the dole, most people on the dole are men and women who can't be assed to work so instead they live in council houses or flats.

On the above note, most these men and women on the dole are over 21+ have had some experience, are more confident and should have no problem working whilst the younger generation are still gaining experience, confidence, socialising and furthering their education ready to work.

/TheDon

 

[SmavidDavid]

I must admit, i misread this thread title and nearly fell off my chair...although i think the misread version is probably more accurate!

The game is to insert an 'n' and see what you come up with..

Hehehe is it in cuts by any chance :P?

Failed to type anything constructive about this thread?

Don't post here if you're just going to type a load of crap in which no one cares about, what we're trying to do is gather opinions for each other and ideas etc regarding the cuts.

EMA was there to encourage potential students to actually join up and further their education. Now, with this gone, these kids fresh out of high school etc will just roam the streets, sign up for the dole, get pissed, cause havock and not do anything with themselves.

It's more logical to lower the tuition fees, keep EMA and discard the dole, most people on the dole are men and women who can't be assed to work so instead they live in council houses or flats.

On the above note, most these men and women on the dole are over 21+ have had some experience, are more confident and should have no problem working whilst the younger generation are still gaining experience, confidence, socialising and furthering their education ready to work.

/TheDon

So remove the dole, cause mass starvation, increase of people being admitted into hospital due to lack of food/warmth and shelter. Increase of theft due to people fighting to support their family on their own?

OR

Remove something students DONT need...... Its an excuse to moan.

I dont agree with the dole either, im against it, but saving money on EMA is most likely a lot more money, than removing benefits for people on the dole, due to reasons i highlighted above. The country isn't capable of finding however many millions of jobs for all these unemployed people due to millions of jobs going abroad due to cheaper labour. So although it should happen, it should be done in a rational way, but it'll cost more to fix that matter.

My personal view is similar to yours Anaconda on why not remove money elsewhere, and a live it or lump it situation i feel is good.. also mass removal of anybody not legally allowed to be here, we dont need people living here on our money cause there is a war in their home. country... but that's a different argument.

As for prices increases, i don't think it's fair to make university to cost so much, but maybe it'll spur people to really give university a strong think..... As i know plenty of people who've studied pointless subjects at uni, with no real job outcome, so their student debt was all for nothing. Education should be a right.. but not a right for people to get a pointless degree, a 2-3 year pissup, and then moan about their debt after cause it cost them thousands of £.