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Not the main killer, main killer is benefits in my eyes.. if people were not able to live off the country there would be more people looking for jobs to live.. however as its such a cushy life on the benefit trail people take that instead of working.
If more British people on benefits took these British jobs that people are fighting for.. immigrants would realise England isn't a place to go.... but we don't take advantage of the fact we can get reasonable paid jobs... instead we decide to bum around, and give reason for immigrants to come here.. :thumbup2:
i know people who have 13-14kids to gain more money there was some lady in the paper couple weeks back earning £30-40k ayear on benfits i think they should get this sorted but ive read in the news papers former asylum seeker gets £1.8million home in london immigration is a joke in this country its like there just leaving the gate wide open.
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It's in the news papers so it must be true!!!
The most worrying thing here is that some people on this forum are even allowed to vote.
wow big surprise lomcn is full of ignorant racist cretins. I don't even know why most of you are even bothering to vote when you obviously know **** all about politics.
this guy
Doesn't even know what ****ing country he lives in but that won't stop him from being a nationalist retard. "durrr, Englerland? Briterrrn? Durrrr"
1) This only applies to English speaking immigrants who have been here for over 10 years already. They're not going to go anywhere no matter what you do because good luck deporting 1 million illegal immigrants when you don't even know where they live. All this means is they will start paying taxes and contributing to society. Is that not good enough for you?
2) What do you mean 'fully join'? Both the UK and the Netherlands ("Holland") are already in the EU. That's as fully joined as you can get. Do you mean joining the Euro? That's a different matter.
3) The libdems do not want to get rid of our Nuclear deterrent. The point is spending billions of pounds updating a weapons system that's only useful in a highly unlikely hypothetical situation is ****ing stupid when we can't even afford to properly equip our conventional army.
4) Don't be dumb.
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UKIP
My granddad fought for ENGLAND/BRITAIN whatever is politically correct, why do we want to be linked to france? Who think our food is rubbish, and that we are snobs. Polish, who move here for more money, and 'better living'.
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Doesn't even know what ****ing country he lives in but that won't stop him from being a nationalist retard. "durrr, Englerland? Briterrrn? Durrrr"
1) This only applies to English speaking immigrants who have been here for over 10 years already. They're not going to go anywhere no matter what you do because good luck deporting 1 million illegal immigrants when you don't even know where they live. All this means is they will start paying taxes and contributing to society. Is that not good enough for you?
2) What do you mean 'fully join'? Both the UK and the Netherlands ("Holland") are already in the EU. That's as fully joined as you can get. Do you mean joining the Euro? That's a different matter.
3) The libdems do not want to get rid of our Nuclear deterrent. The point is spending billions of pounds updating a weapons system that's only useful in a highly unlikely hypothetical situation is ****ing stupid when we can't even afford to properly equip our conventional army.
4) Don't be dumb.
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Actually England is/was a wide used term for the whole of Britain but it was deemed politically incorrect... hense his statement
Racist? I'm assuming that your assuming everybody is racist because they want the immigrants out & for England to be English again? Oh, right.
I've always said England, as I'm English, not British. Though more often than not people refer to England as Britain. I understand that the topic is who we want to be next prime minister of England or whatever, but no need to be a picky twat about things is there.
1) 600,000 is the estimate, it's 1.2million after 10 years as they are allowed to stay put & bring 1 relative over.
Oh right Van, you think that because they would be allowed to stay here they are gonna start paying taxes etc? By that stage they would have been HIDING here for 10 years already whilst paying nothing. Why would they decide to come out of hiding to pay taxes etc? It's all well and good saying they can stay & pay taxes, the point is, the majority probably won't.
Tbh, you're not going to find every immigrant here already, just tighten up the border control & stop anymore coming in whilst slowly sending back the 1s here already.
2) Correct. We are part of the EU, which costs us near on £40mill per day.
3) Agreed. Nothing more to say.
4) Don't be dumb? He's basically right, we stay as part of the EU we continue playing by Brussels rules, which won't get us anywhere (As it quite clearly hasn't). Think how England's economy could be helped with that £40mill a day...
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For anyone thinking we will save "insert made up value" if we left in the EU, you don't have a clue. Leaving the EU would potentially cripple the country.
As much as I like where UKIP are trying to go, some of the policies are laughable and their figures don't add up.
Stop reading something thats heavily biased and suddenly agreeing with everything thats said.
As much as I like where UKIP are trying to go, some of the policies are laughable and their figures don't add up.
Stop reading something thats heavily biased and suddenly agreeing with everything thats said.
People immigrate here illegally usually out of desperation and wanting to build a better life for themselves in a stable, wealthy country. The life of an illegal immigrant is not a good life. They can't hold down any decent jobs because they're not technically allowed to work here. This makes them vulnerable to criminal organisations and shady, risky work conditions. They're also exempt from public services and can't draw attention to themselves so have very little protection from the state. Of course they would accept full citizenship, don't be daft. They didn't come here to play hide and seek with the government, they came here because they want better lives.
The solution to Europe's problems is not to jump ship and sacrifice our status and influence as a European nation. The solution is reform. Reform which is constantly stifled by Europhobes like UKIP because their heads are shoved too far up their own arses to realise that a lot of the things they complain about could be fixed if they would just cooperate.
No it wasn't. What the hell are you talking about.
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Incorrect. If what you're saying was the case (That I see & believe pretty much), then I would be voting Conservatives. Every party lies as much as the others & each party has it's laughable 'facts'. Tbh, whoever comes to power next probably won't do half as much as what they 'intend' to.
Oh, those made up figures...
http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/?p=2184
Spend a day reading through that site, then you hopefully won't jump to conclusions.
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Stable & wealthy country... oh right, is that including the national debt of £700billion+?
How sweet. They have a tough time where they are so they come and live here over crowding our little island.
You have 600,000 people who weren't even born in England living here illegally, how the feck can you try and make this seem okay?
The thing you have to recognise is that before these 600,000 came here, the country was in nowhere near as bad'a shape as it is now. I will delve further into this matter if you wish.
''The life of an illegal immigrant is not a good life''.
I have to agree, but doesn't mean they should be welcomed with open arms. I do believe we welcomed most of the Somalis with open arms, that's been thrown back in our face (Will delve further if you wish).
''They can't hold down any decent jobs because they're not technically allowed to work here. This makes them vulnerable to criminal organisations and shady, risky work conditions.''
So, if they aren't technically allowed here, why are they in the first place?
Hmm, maybe reading it wrong, but your basically saying that it's okay for foreigners to get involved in crime as the English government is preventing them from getting work?
Do you not think the government stops foreigners working here so that the English can have their rightful jobs? It's the same as a point I saw the other day, England has paid Danish manufacturers to build a number of off-shore windmills... that's like having an English labourer and a Danish labourer stood in front of Mr. GB & him picking the Dane as he's doing the work a tenner cheaper, lol.
If the English gave their work to the English, there would be much less of a problem.
I'm not 100% sure who to vote.
All I know is we need change. Anybody who votes Labour is an idiot tbh.
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GORDON!!!
Naa in truth I have never voted, I'm not sure what steps I need to take before I can vote, short insight into this would be great.
I if I get the chance would vote for either Lib/Torries but I am unsure of whom Would be the better choice.
i could moan all day about benefits, but i get most of my gripe based on education for example, when i started college i was working as many hours as i could to allow me some free time and enough time to properly do my assignments, i attended every lesson was never late, did all work on time and got every mark there was to get in every assignment for 2 years and in those 2 years i was denied EMA based on my stepdad earning over 33,000 (or near that) yet one of my friends, attended the lessons (then left early once they got their mark, did the bare minimum work, cba to get a job and recieved EMA, this meant that they were earning almost the same as i was, for doing **** all.. then i go to uni and spend £3000 a year for my course again unable to get funding from the government meaning when i finish i will be just short of 12,000 in DEBT and thats before iv even got into the real world, yet just because their parents dont work some people on my course are getting grants to pay their fees AND maintenence grants (money supposedly to spend on educational stuff but rarely is) AND bursaries of upto £6000 a year which they dont have to pay back (3000 of that pays for the course) and for what? for them to do exactly the same as me ffs yet they are debt free at the end. to top this one of the people i used to call my friend at school got herself pregnant has a kid and a council paid flat plus benefits to support her kid which im effectively paying for through tax i mean wtf to me its like the government is giving you 2 options;
1. Go to uni, try and improve your chances in life but get shafted and end up in debt if your household earns below a certain threshold
2. Not go to uni, sponge off society, amount to nothing but the government will pay for you to do so.. reward you for being a waste
i mean dont get me wrong because some people who go need the support to get through uni but i think either every1 should get it or no1 and education to be free... yes my stepdad is a business director and earns upwards of 80,000 a year but he also has a family to support, a house mortgage to pay off, business and travel costs. i dont see why just because a house earns above a certain amount they should assume that anyone who gets education in that house gets it paid for..
like i said thats my gripe lol
1. Go to uni, try and improve your chances in life but get shafted and end up in debt if your household earns below a certain threshold
2. Not go to uni, sponge off society, amount to nothing but the government will pay for you to do so.. reward you for being a waste
i mean dont get me wrong because some people who go need the support to get through uni but i think either every1 should get it or no1 and education to be free... yes my stepdad is a business director and earns upwards of 80,000 a year but he also has a family to support, a house mortgage to pay off, business and travel costs. i dont see why just because a house earns above a certain amount they should assume that anyone who gets education in that house gets it paid for..
like i said thats my gripe lol
@Van:
Did write an essay of a reply... 'Post Quick Reply'... and it asked me to login, take the piss? xD
Tbh, it's opinions, we will just go on forever.
Did write an essay of a reply... 'Post Quick Reply'... and it asked me to login, take the piss? xD
Tbh, it's opinions, we will just go on forever.