9/11 - proof, America attacking itself.
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Please explain where did the hundreds of bodies come from if a small plane flew into the Pentagon? Please explain how they were four attacks, three in the Eastern United States and a fourth heading possibly to L.A.? Please explain why someone would do this? For money? Of course, that's why the war has alreayd costed 100 billion dollars more then all the oil in the Iraq in 2003. Please explain the motive.
Biohazard said:
What bodies Bio?
If that blast incinerated a whole plane of Titanium which burns at 1688 degree C, then I daresay a plane full of fleshy humans would survive, would you agree?
Vannaroth said:
Care to explain what part was unclear, so I may rephrase it for you?
You would be absolutely amazed at what the human body can withstand
not survive, mind you, but withstand.
not survive, mind you, but withstand.
Stop being an ass and answer the question. Where did all the PEOPLE go? Surely hundreds of people cannot fit into a small airplane. Would't you agree? Or are you just going to get smart and not answer? I think not.
http://www.loosechange911.com/lc2e_herehere.wmv i would like some one to explain that video proves it all really.
Turin said:
Ambiguity, undeciciveness, you say you take a stance, fair enough, but dont argue against that stance when the oppertunity comes up, argue for it.
Biohazard said:
No I admit. What you said was that:
I was assuming you were saying bodies of passengers were found at the site of the attack.
But thank you for correcting yourself in the post above. In context of the suggested argument, if the US Government could commit the deaths of 3000+ people, I'm sure it can spare another 200 or so that were on the plane
Vannaroth said:
Considering, most active posters who have arguments to contribute are from those who appose the attack of America on its own citizens. Logically, it follows I'd provide counter-arguments, for debates sake that is.
Even then, I've already said I'm undecided on a personal level
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No, I think youre moulding the context around what suits you best, bio clearly asked where the bodies would come from if it were a SMALL plane.
Keep religion and race out of this or else.
FYI, because I had to post that, let me also write a very brief comment about http://www.loosechange911.com/lc2e_herehere.wmv
IT HAS NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
I've seen an implosion first hand. It takes a considerable charges to bring down a building and even if one charge went off accidentally in those small places it would have considerably caused more damage.
If you still disagree then you must then agree that the charges were weak. If the charges were that weak, they wouldn't have brought down the building. If you speculate there were hundreds or thousands of small charges and only one went off, you're wrong because it would have caused them all to go off.
^ That's fact. Download implosions and show me where the explosion was that small and still destroyed the supports. I'll save you the trouble, you won't find one.
Also, stop playing Devil's advocate for both sides Turin. Anyone can easily point oppinions on both sides. Make up YOUR mind and post it.
BTW, a lot of these arguments were already argued in a previous thread, some people should SEARCH.
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FYI, because I had to post that, let me also write a very brief comment about http://www.loosechange911.com/lc2e_herehere.wmv
IT HAS NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
I've seen an implosion first hand. It takes a considerable charges to bring down a building and even if one charge went off accidentally in those small places it would have considerably caused more damage.
If you still disagree then you must then agree that the charges were weak. If the charges were that weak, they wouldn't have brought down the building. If you speculate there were hundreds or thousands of small charges and only one went off, you're wrong because it would have caused them all to go off.
^ That's fact. Download implosions and show me where the explosion was that small and still destroyed the supports. I'll save you the trouble, you won't find one.
Also, stop playing Devil's advocate for both sides Turin. Anyone can easily point oppinions on both sides. Make up YOUR mind and post it.
BTW, a lot of these arguments were already argued in a previous thread, some people should SEARCH.
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problem is urban, that video you posted does show puffs of explosions in steel frames to which are used to weaken for the demolition... its really not possible for them to randomly 'pop' that far distance for nothing especially as un uneffected area of the impact.
urbanfox said:
Nevermind different threads, I seem to have to constantly quote my own posts within this very thread, to bring up an already answered question.
Ok since people want it spelt out:
I do not think Americans adminstered the attacks. That is, I don't think Govt of America went and hired three cargo planes to ram into a building and then set it over with explosives. What I do however believe, is the Govt. had a part in orchestrating the attacks.
What I mean by that is two things:
- Providing training and access to equipment (perhaps indirectly) to the accused perpetrators of the incident.
- Having information prior to an imminent attack, and doing nothing about it.
The bottom line is in both arguments, the Govt. of America used and abused the pathos generated from the attacks for their own foreign policies.
Clear enough y'all?
Turin
Turin said:
That was in the 80's when we shared a common greater enemy (the Soviets) and they weren't bent on terrorism.
You can monday quarterback all you want but it doesn't change anything. Read the 9/11 commission's report on that subject and then post what you said again.
Actually, it doesn't, for a couple reasons.
1) They aren't strategically placed, rendering them pretty much useless.
2)The explosions were too small.
I have no idea what you mean, but I'll leave you with this: One set of explosions on each floor is more than enough to take the building down.
Now I'm out for good except for moderating duties.
urbanfox said:
lol what? Practically the whole report is for providing 'proof' that Al-Qaida had a link to the attacks. I smell a little ulterior motives there.
Turin
ps -
It is very peculiar how people can dismiss or just gloss over an entire topic, without reading important facts contained in the posts, yet still they manage to generate an opinion on the subject - I mean anyone can have an opinion, it just matters on how educated that opinion is, which gives it its credibility.
pps -
I know the Pentagon was attacked. I know the WTC was attacked. There is no proof suggesting a government body was involved in the attack. There is proof of a terrorist organisation being involved. There is counter-proof (contradictions) on both physical and conspirital levels for the attacks not being conducted by the alleged terrorists. In short there is no way of knowing the culpability of Govt. involvement in the incident, yet what can be truly said, is that our Govt. is not giving us the whole truth.
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Turin said:In context of the suggested argument, if the US Government could commit the deaths of 3000+ people, I'm sure it can spare another 200 or so that were on the plane
Why the hell would you smile at that fact?
Perhaps the worst part of your posting within this thread is the fact that you've actually made up your own theory for this whole attack, at least the opposition in this thread is justified, due to a very powerful conspiracy argument. False though it is.
What the hell is all this arguing about what sized plane crashed into the pentagon though? Does anyone here actually know what happens to a 747 when it crashes into a wall similar to the one constructed at the pentagon? Or is this again, just another theory about what else could happen?