Misguided?
Misguided being governed by a group of people that we (the british public) did not elect and literally have no control over the legislation that they deem to pass.
Misguided that the UK's budget has to be submitted to the EU for approval?
Misguided that the fact that democracy does not exist in the European Union?
Misguided the fact that the TTIP deal would literally allow the US to take everything they want from the country?
I'm happy to be misguided, at least i'm not delusional.... :P
Dk
Our MEPs elect them and we elect our MEPs. And the entire European parliament is elected. The legislation that is passed (of which only 13% affect the UK) are all ****ing fantastic laws that help progress European culture and lives. Regulation on air pollution, ensuring that energy certificates are carried out, stopping budget airlines from advertising flights at 50p and misleading the public, laws that mean if you get arrested in other EU countries you are treated fairly. Do you honestly think that every member body of the EU and their equivalent MEPs are going to allow the passing of laws that in any way detriment their society? Do you think 27 countries all collectively come up with laws that **** them over? Do you think that the most intelligent people from 27 of the best countries in the world come together and just **** out new, terrible laws?
The UK has entire control over tax, defence, health, industry, culture, tourism, education, youth, and yet somehow you believe that we have to submit our ****ing economic budget to the EU for APPROVAL? APPROVAL? Are you kidding? And you say you're not delusional?
Yes of course the EU was always going to pass the TTIP with a clause in there ensuring they could dismantle public health services. I don't know how delusional you have to be to think that the TTIP would get away with that. Did you think they were just going to sneak it in under the rug or what? You know that the EU and member bodies have all expressed that under no circumstance would the TTIP pass if there was any chance that it could dismantle public health services right? Or do you just run scared of any single eventually that may happen? So maybe we should leave the EU in case Adolf Hitler rises again with a horde of zombie nazis and targets only member states. I mean if that's the level of fear mongering the leavers will act on then what's the point. No point in rational thought here. No point in thinking "hm, the NHS is the absolute number one priority of the UK and other member states' equivalent public health services who are part of the EU, I should probably hold fire on a spastic move like leaving the EU before simply assuming this was going to happen". Think for a second about what the UK would do if TTIP were to pass and there was a chance we could lose the NHS. )hint: we're a democratic country who's #1 voting sway is lead by decisions around the NHS. We'd leave the EU.) The support would be overwhelming. We'd all leave. We know that, America knows that, the EU knows that. We could've left it at any point. For **** sake.
I'm ashamed to be British after that result. And I'm ashamed that so many here, who I would otherwise think were smart, critically-thinking individuals clearly voted with their hearts and not their heads. And it's important to note, one is for thinking and the other is just a ****ing pump.
Shame on you, shame on England. We've lived in the most peaceful time of human history, and it's all thanks to unity and togetherness. What England did and what America did by allowing Trump to gain the traction he did is basically admit that segregation beats unity. We're supposed to be a world leader, and with that leadership we told the world that we're a bunch of racist xenophobic cavemen. Name me a single time in human history where segregation lead anywhere good? Because I can tell you a ****ing lot of times it lead to war and destruction.
9/11, the London bombings, all the shootings and bombings since weren't just done to kill people. When you're a small group of radicals and you want to take out a nation you do it not by killing people, but by manipulating hatred and fear between groups. Ever since then fear has driven western societies to segregate themselves from the world, to treat everyone as an outsider, 'us and them', fear everyone trust no one. They wanted this to happen, they wanted segregation on a national scale and they got it. We played right into their hands. The only cure to terrorism was to stick together, to be united and welcoming and to show the world that we were stronger as one. Good job, England.
What's done is done and I hope for the sake of my kids and theirs' that it turns out good and I am proven wrong.
Not saying that you're all racists or morons for voting the way you did. I know a lot were probably swayed by their parents or by the awful campaigns that were full of lies, deceit and completely misleading facts. I don't know how leavers aren't currently livid that two of the biggest factors (350m going to the NHS and immigration) have now been completely 100% backtracked on, probably due in large to denial, but that's that. You voted the way you did, some of you because you thought it was the right thing to do, some of you because of other people, some of you because of mis-directed anger. We all have to live with the consequences. Let's just hope it doesn't set back humanity and the UK a few decades.
That said, if you actually avoided the politicians like I did and studied the facts by economists, law-makers, and other people who have nothing to politically gain from it, and still came to the conclusion that leave was the best option, you are a ****ing moron.
